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-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your backs. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich. it's result clear. it's winner right there in the white house trying to do what the people reelected him to do. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." like the way i lowered my voice there? today the president took his tax pitch to a factory in the philly suburbs and he made clear the rich must pay their fair sha
, joe, he said i think we're going to make this. i think the boehner offer had significant indicators that something here is going on, and they're going to come together. >> also, kent conrad, a guy -- i've loved him for a long time, deficit hawk. they haven't allowed him to put a budget out for years. he's growing frustrated. i'm sure he's going to be glad to leave. but i was surprised by that as well. you see also, sam stein, republicans are now starting to really bash boehner from the right. the president needs to take note. he needs to take note. >> give him some running room. >> i'm only saying this because you remember, we went through this with newt. you know, bill clinton would push newt only so far, and then the conservatives in the caucus like myself and matt salmon, steve largent and others would say we're not doing a deal. we will take this place down. we're not doing a deal. and then newt would call bill clinton up and say, you're pushing me too far. you've got to work with me here. the same thing's happening right now with boehner. >> with boehner. >> the republican -- a
'donnell. >>> the president has returned from his trip. chris matthews and "hardball" is next. >>> a no-brainer for boehner. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me the start tonight with this. somebody has got to break it to mr. boehner, your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. the hands off the big boys' ticket. he's the guy who said his fellow 2%ers have your back. mr. boehner, ye of limited memory, the voters looked this issue directly in the eye, they heard your guy, romney, playing palace guard for the plutocrats, and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who is looking out for the middle class. i think i will let that guy go back to bain or whatever. time for mr. boehner to stop protecting the rich. joy reid is managing editor of the grio, and david corn is washington bureau chief for mother jones and the author of the ebook "47 percent." today the president took his pitch to a factory in the philadelphia suburbs, and he made clear the rich must pay their fair share. obama's job number one, a tax cut for the 98
speaker boehner had to say yesterday. >> the revenues we're putting on the table are going to come from guess who? the rich. now, there are ways to limb the deduction, close loopholes and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates. >> congresswoman, the "new york times" reporting today that boehner is enjoying the broadest support he has seen in two years but as you know, a lot of conservatives are very angry over his giving any ground on revenue. is the speaker's leadership still strong in your estimation? >> i think it is. and i know that it's a very tough position for our leader to be in. and especially tough when he cannot get the president to come to the table and in addition to that, we have the administration that keeps moving the goalpost. 2010 this very president said this is not the time when the economy is so bad to raise taxes on anyone yet now we're having him say he wants to raise taxes on small business own that's are going to affect about 700,000 jobs. is that really what we need to do in an economy where we have 23 m
-brainer for boehner. let's play "hard ball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start tonight with this. snb's got to break it to mr. boehner. your side lost. romney, remember him? he's the guy who ran on the rich man's platform. he's the guy who said to fellow 2%ers, got your back. told the other 47% to go fly a kite. they look this decision directly in the eye. they heard the president blaring away about the need to hit the 2%. they heard your guy playing palace guard and they said i think i'll vote for the guy who's looking out for the middle class. time for mr. janer to stop defending his rejected politics, stop talking about the rich and threatening more fights to defend them. the fight was clean and clear. trying to do what the people leektded them to do. join the managing director. 47%. both are msnbc. like the way i lowered my voice there? today the president took his tax pitch to the factory in the nilly suburbs and made clear the rich must pay their fair share meaning they must go up to the top 2%. a tax cult for 98%. the rest of the people, let's listen to them. >>
and team boehner are back at the negotiating table. but there is still substantial disagreement on tax rates, tax revenues, domestic spending and entitlement reform and the clock is ticking. speaking of tax hikes, europe's grand experiment with taxing the rich more is falling apart, especially in france and britain. and here at home, california and new york are passing through the 50% tax rate barrier. is anybody looking at how tax hikes fail the test of economic growth? >>> back here in the u.s., could it be michigan which used to call itself the worker's paradise union state is now moving towards new anti-union right-to-work legislation and it looks like it's going to pass? but first up, budget talks resume between speaker john boehner and president obama today. with just 25 days to go, let's keep tabs on where we stand. reports of a conservative backlash against speaker boehner simply not true. he has the solid support of his leadership and the rank and file. but there is concern among some in the gop that they are at risk of becoming the party for rich people while president obama
we're nowhere. >> speaker john boehner issued a downer offer yesterday. >> the white house quickly dismissed it. >> the speaker's proposal is out of balance. >> it is more of the same. >> it is not me being positive. it is the math. >> magic math. >> magic beans and fairy dust. >> president obama did win the election. >> me thinks somebody made him king. >> no. i don't think that's right. >> he doesn't see where he stands in the universe. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> are we that far apart? >> both sides want a deal. >> a matter of math. >> try to stay away from hypotheticals. >> it won't pass. >> discussions about unicorns. >> unicorns. >> they're imaginary beasts. >> magic beans. >> magic math. >> an enchanted universe. >> outrageous. >> the whole thing is going wacky. >> i would say we're nowhere. >> i don't envy the position the speaker is in. >> we're nowhere. ? you just might feel under attack. >> john boehner's power move. >> roll over and do what i ask. >> having the reins on the tea party. >> does he have real allies at this point? >> conservative groups lashed out. >>
forward with something else. >> the day after boehner loyalist tom cole, republican congressman from oklahoma said that the house should simply take up the bill that the democrats passed in the senate that would raise income taxes only on the top income tax brackets. another senior republican lawmaker who asked not to be identified this time told reuters that the democratic bill could pass in the house of representatives if john boehner would allow such a bill to be brought to the house floor for a vote. here is boehner speaking about the president earlier today. >> members of his own party seem quite comfortable with sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> speaker boehner doesn't want to propose spending cuts, so now he's trying to pressure the white house to do it. >> there's been no serious discussion of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speak
would call something the bowles plan, the approach outlined in the letter speaker boehner sent to the president does not represent the simpson bowles plan nor is it the bowles plan. harry reid says not only does speaker boehner's proposal delay revenues into 2013, it sets up another destructive fight over the debt ceiling. the senate wasting the public time. house republicans should allow a vote on the senate passed middle income cuts. a discharge petition to force a vote on extending on tuesday at noon. the two sides are still talking informally. last night oklahoma senator tom coburn while berating the white house for rejecting boehner's plan out of hand, ended up criticizing both parties for what looks like brinksmanship right now. >> here is speaker boehner taking a midpoint and offered it and it's already flatly rejected? we need nothing offered in publ public. nobody should come out of the room until this is solved. >> today state budgets affected by automatic budget cuts scheduled for january 1 will be meeting with the president and congressional leaders at the white hou
that the boehner rule, i. efrmgts any extension of the debt limit must be matched by matching spending cuts the norm from now on. seems president obama does not want to play that game as he said. walking away from the press conference today withes the gop leadership on capitol hill, a x alex, they're still engaging in the trench warfare. i asked speaker boehner about the $250,000 bush tax cuts, all the polling shows the country will think republicans are to blame if we go over the fiscal cliff, six out of ten voters in november said the tax rates should go up, how much longer can he afford to politically keep this pledge and he said look, you heard it there, the rates when we close the revenues, loopholes will go up on the rich people. that still is the mindset. what's interesting, is talking to republicans leaving the house conference gop conference this morning, there is a lot of support for speaker boehner. there aren't cracks like there were during the debt limit where he had a faction that was lining up against him wholeheartedly. even after yesterday we heard all the stuff of fallout
of the miscall cliff is coming. house speaker john boehner in an exclusive interview with "fox news sunday" saying, "we're nowhere" in fiscal cliff talks with democrats. treasury secretary tim geithner saying and telling chris wallace republicans must accept the tax hikes for the wealthy to reach a deal. a deal is what we are after. peter doocy live in washington with more. peter, tell us first, speaker boehner -- the big problem right now with the white house proposal that was just presented. >> jamie, speaker boehner says he was flabbergasted when the treasury secretary geithner came to capitol hill and told him what the president wants. and this is why. >> the president is asking for $1.6 trillion worth of new revenue in ten years. twice as much as he has been asking for in public. he had stimulus spending in here that exceeded the amount of new cuts he was willing to consider. it was not a serious offer. >> reporter: secretary geithner says the white house $4 trillion plan has 2 to 1 ratio of cuts to spending increases. but everything we heard from speaker boehner suggests the $1.6 tri
. the country doesn't need a victory lap. it needs leadership. >> speaker boehner said the president needs to get serious about what spending cuts he's willing to make. but that was news to senate majority leader harry reid. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him, okay? >> he's not alone. all this comes as treasury secretary tim geithner held separate meetings today with boehner, reid, nancy pelosi, and mitch mcconnell, and over at the white house spokesman jay carney said the debt ceiling should not be a pawn in any kind of fiscal gamesmanship. >> asking for a -- that a political price be paid in order for congress to do its job to ensure that the united states of america pays its bills and does not default for the first time in its history is deeply irresponsible. >> now, if you're sensing a distinct lack of holiday cheer down in washington these days, take heart. because joe biden is still our vice president and no fiscal cliff fights are going to stop him from a sh
is under way with speaker boehner dumping uncontrollable right wingers from prize committee assignments. they're out because they're too right. so what is too right for the republicans following the defeat this week or their defeat last month? is voting nay in the senate against a handicap rights treaty because it carries the nightmare dread of blue helmets riding black helicopters sweeping into your home school room. is that okay? what's out? what's in. in the republican party that just took a licking. bob shrum is a democratic strategist and columnist at the daily beast and john brabender ran rick santorum's presidential campaign. i expect you gentleman to play fair and aim directly below the belt. just kidding, bob. i want to ask you as a liberal a progressive, looking across at the right you see jim demint, a guy the late tim russert once said i can't believe jim demint is a senator. he is the leader, the ram record of all those right wing challenges. he put up ron johnson to put up mitch mcconnell because he's too liberal. he's leaving, quitting his senate seat, giving it up, to ru
john boehner. the reason they're here and want their voices heard if, indeed, this worst-case scenario happens, this fiscal cliff as we've been calling it, it will impact their state's economies. according to the ppew report, these states rely on federal money. things like education would be impacted. they're here to put pressure not only on the president but lawmakers up on the hill to get this deal done. >> takes place in about an hour. dan loathian, reporting from th white house. >>> nearly 15 million households rely on food stamps. republicans say it's far too many. it's government assistance out of control. certainly a major theme during the republican primary. >> president obama has been historically the most effective food stamp president in american histor history. >> in light of the continuing controversy over food stamps, new jersey democratic mayor cory book booker will live on food stamps saying, quote, nutrition is not a responsibility of the government. >> as you mentioned this all sort of began as a back and forth on twitter. we'll get to that in detail in a moment. firs
on the fiscal cliff is just being released. let's go to e-mailen j amon jav >> they say boehner is offering multi-step solution here, including what he's after is $800 billion in revenue through tax reform. that's obviously significantly less than the $1.6 trillion the president asked for his-n his initial offer last week. other details in this offer being reported by nbc. health savings of $600 billion. other mandatory savings of $300 billion. a revision to cpi of $200 billion. and further discretionary savings of $300 billion. guys, it looks like the horse trading is alive and well here in washington. now this offer being extended from the republicans. you can assume that the white house will not think this is enough tax revenue to go forward, but, of course, offers are being exchanged here so that's a sign negotiations are under way, guys. >> let's get into the details here. $600 billion in health savings. what does that mean for medicare? break it down in terms of where these savings come from. >> i wish i could. what we don't have here is a lot of detail hanging off this christmas tree
criticized john boehner. john boehner should not be concerned about losing his job. he should be concerned about doing his job. his job is that of the american people. i do not want to get caught up in the sound bites. at least bring some kind of leverage, some kind of balance to this crisis. host: "in new york times" this morning -- guest: what does he have to negotiate? there are three options. you could allow the tax cuts to expire december 31. you can cancel some or all of the tax increases and spending. that would accelerate a dive back into a great recession or depression. in the first quarter, we would have very little difficulty in distinguishing ourselves from the crisis that is in gulf and europe and especially greece. the other thing we could do is come to a midline course of action where you could actually -- what can you minimally due to cut spending? what can you minimally due to have shared sacrifice so everyone is sacrificing something in this game? the other thing we don't talk about -- the interest rates on the deficit have been the lowest in 200 years. if we went back to
on with speaker boehner? he went off his own cliff today. we'll tell you why he's ready to hold the economy hostage again. >>> and what's really behind john mccain's relentless and baseless attack on susan rice? former governor of new mexico and ambassador to the u.n., bill richardson, joins us live. >>> plus, remember this guy with the romney tattoo? he might just be the smartest man in the republican party today. >>> and we'll tell you what joe biden bought at costco today. you'll love this video. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >>> this is interesting. president obama is going to have lunch with mitt romney and you thought you had an awkward meal with your family on thanks giving. what i don't get is he said nobody should get a free lunch and now he's going to the white house to have a free lunch. [ male announcer ] with 160 more miles per tank, the distances aren't getting shorter. ♪ the trucks are going farther. the new 2013 ram 1500. ♪ with the best-in-class fuel economy. engineered to move heaven and earth. ♪ guts. glory. ram. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] while you're
that happened today. john boehner, the speaker of the house, sent a message that a deal was in the works. he threw several house members off of key committees when they criticized him openly for looking like he was ready to make some deal on taxes with president obama. that's a sign to me that he's going to clear the decks to try to push through a deal. it's a sign that we're going get some kind of tax increases for the top 2%. i don't know where those numbers are going to be. pretty clear to me that a deal is in the works and we're heading in that direction. what i'm not sure of is whether the market will go up on this, necessarily. >> in terms of that january effect, bob, does that even matter this year? >> yes, look, it's not long from anybody, january and february are the best months of the year. that's a factor. >> let me ask you about putting money to work, keith springer. you say we're going to get a deal regardless. we may get a deal regardless, but that deal means probably higher taxes and lower spending. what are the areas in the economy in your view that get impacted most by a dea
satellite corp. 2012] >> house speaker john boehner said today he disagrees with a proposal from congressman tom call who suggested he and his gop colleagues should renew middle-class tax cut and allowed the top tax rates to let -- rise. tonight, we speak from -- hear from speaker boehner, house democrats, and president obama on the so-called fiscal clef. later, alan simpson and erskine bowles talk about some of the fiscal choices facing congress. >> the program began under one of the advisers to president franklin roosevelt to document the conditions under which people were living. this was back when we did not have television. we had radio, but a lot of places did not have electricity, so they could not listen to the radio broadcast to find out what was going on in other parts of the country. he was an economist from columbia university. he was the head of this project. in 1939, when kodak introduced color film, they sent him to have his photographers try out, see what they could do. kodak was trying to establish a new market and product, and they wanted people who would know how to use it
accounts. life can be so cruel. i loved the way that he mocked him. meanwhile what is john boehner up to? other than fighting the president on the grand bargain and the so-called fiscal cliff, he said if you do filibuster reform, and you actually can get legislation passed through the senate well, we would hate that because we love gridlock in washington as the republicans right? so he said, if the senate reforms it, the filibuster, we'll block every vote. quote, any bill that reaches the republican-led house based on the senate democrat's heavy handed power play would be dead on arrival. if you thought gridlock was bad before, wait until you get a load of the new gridlock where he would kill every single bill. do you remember what president obama said before the election? i'll remind you don't worry here it comes. my hope, my expectation is that after the election, now that it turns out that the goal beating obama does not make much sense because i'm not running again that we can start getting some cooperation again. hate to do it to you but wrong again, bob. it doesn't look like you're
designed-- >> schieffer: what gives you reason for optimism. speaker boehner says this is basically a stalemate. >> it's true that we're still a bit apart. and they're going to have to move further, and they're trying to figure out, again, what they do next in this context. again, we've given them a very detailed set of proposals. we're open to suggestions on how to do it differently. if they want to come back and say we'd like you to do this differently, do more of this, they should lay this out for us. >> schieffer: what is it what cannot change in your plan. >> our plan? >> schieffer: yeah. you said you're ready to talk. >> of course we are. president has said over and over from the beginning, again, we've laid out in detail what we think makes the most sense for the american economy today, again, glowft extend the middle class tax cuts but put in place some carefully designed savings to bring downtown long-term deficits and we should do ethics help growth in the short term like rebuilding american infrastructure, helping americans with their mortgages, extend unemployment benefi
to agree with the rest. >> john boehner earthed republicans to stick together during a closed door meeting before publicly pushing back against his colleague's comments. >> i told tom earlier in our conference meeting that i disagreed with him. the goal here is to grow the economy and control spending. you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small businesses or hurt our economy. >> meanwhile, president obama is again stepping into defend susan rice who was locked in a face-to-face power struggle with republicans on capitol hill for the second straight day. as nbc's andrea mitchell reports, it's not getting any easier for the women many believe who will be nominated for the next secretary of state. >> the primary purpose from my perspective -- >> with hillary clinton nodding approval, the president sent a strong message to the republicans, don't mess with my u.n. ambassador. rice a welcomed signal that her nomination is still alive despite another brutal day on capitol hill. >> the u.n. ambassador decided to play what was essentially a
to pennsylvania to sell it to you. republicans aren't buying it. listen to house speaker, john boehner. >> despite the claims the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. >> democrats are firing right back at boehner. harry reid getting a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> ouch. athena jones live from washington. same old same old. where do we go from here? >> that's the big question. the nice talk after the election is pretty much gone away. you mentioned one of the big sticking points, that's taxes. republicans and democrats can't agree on how to raise the tax revenue? end the bush tax cuts for the wealthy, close the loopholes, raise the capital gains taxes or all of the above. right now, they can't agree on how much money should be raised on the revenue side. let's listen to more from harry reid about the democrats stance on this. >> we are ready to protect middle class families by freezing the tax rates for the first $250,000 and letting the rates go to the same level they were during
so many have gone home. we know that president obama and john boehner spoke by phone. republican sources telling us they had a conversation yesterday. we don't have a readout on what that was about. we don't know that if any meetings have been scheduled. but any small sign of progress is welcome here on capitol hill. now with so many lawmakers headed home and likely to face the ire of their constituents, we saw one protester in baltimore yesterday over social security. there are a few left. today there's a joint economic committee hearing. they're going to hear from a top economist not only about the jobs numbers coming out tomorrow but also about what can be done to avoid this issue at the end of the year. >> tracie potts for us in washington. thank you. >>> last night on the ed show, steny hoyer explains why he thinks the debt ceiling vote should be taken off the table. >> the debt ceiling is a phone y vote, frankly. and from time to time democrats have made it an item that they demagogue down and the republicans have demagogued on it, as well. the debt limit is a recognition o
. that's what house speaker john boehner told fellow republicans during a weekly meeting, signaling he will push back on president obama's demand for tax hikes on the rich when it comes to the fiscal cliff. but treasury secretary timothy geithner says the white house will not give in. >> no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one
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he is not body surfing. he knows he will be tortured and ongoing katrina. john boehner is frustrated after a closed door meeting with geithner. >> eric: brian's point, vacation is on because president obama knows he has a deal. >> dana: i don't think -- well, one, the present doesn't have a spending cut plan. why is everyone looking at us. where is your plan, sir? now the democrats are starting to realize wait, i think they are on to us. president obama sacrificed going to hawaii with his family. going to stay behind. they will fawn over him for not going to hawaii. >> bob: that happened last year. if you accept the bush tax cut last time. family went off and obama stayed behind. it's time so just accept it. >> brian: it is the same game. the house republican and the senate democrat and president is democrat. >> eric: i can't tell you how many shows i stayed until 11:59, live show for the debt creeling to hit or the government to shut down. government would shut down, 19:55 they fixed it. obama is say nothing, i need more. boehner is saying we are further than we have ever been. >> t
hill for high level talks, most notably with house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. >> how did it go? just listen. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious. about real spending cuts. >> a much gloomier assessment from the initial prethanksgiving huddle at the white house. boehner described his meeting with geithner as frank and direct, the same way he described his phone call with the president the night before. and for the past two weeks there has been no substantive progress. >> most public statements have been optimistic, confident, hopeful. we're all sensing a very different tone from you right now. are you walking away from talks? have things completely broken down? >> no, no, no, no. stop. i'm disappointed in where we are, but going over the fiscal cliff is serious business. i'm here seriously trying to resolve it. and i would hope the white house would get serious as well. >> house democratic leader nancy pelosi quickly dismissed boehner's remarks as a negotiating maneuver. >> i think they'll
't want anything to do with geithner's plan. yesterday, john boehner moved the markets higher. it was joyful talk about a possible deal, but today, it was like a break-up over tax. he went from love to disgust. here he is right after tim geithner put that deal on the table. >> no progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. >> all right. that's pretty grim. stocks lost early games on that news and the day went downhill. harry reid slapped back. >> still waiting for a serious offer from the republicans. >> so they agree on something. no progress. but then it actually went beyond that. reid got a little personal. >> i don't understand his brain so you should ask him, okay? >> funny, but really not so funny. so what happens when the men in charge start throwing sand in the sand box? we just go over the cliff like some are now suggesting? recall what erskine bowles said two weeks ago. >> i think that's crazy. you know, why would you bet the country? really bet the country by going over this fiscal cliff. >> crazy? betting the c
you saw very little movement in the stock market in the middle of the day when representative boehner came out and said they'd gone nowhere on the talks. senator mcconnell described the white house offer as comical. that normally would have moved stocks down, but it didn't. i think that's a sign a lot of people believe a deal is coming. >> rick santelli, what's your take? >> i think there's no volatile ty on boehner's comments because geithner's comments were out there last noor nigight for eveo see. we're not going to hear anything sensible. now it becomes a time clock issue. i think sometime around the third week in december if you think the last hour was volatile going from minus 20 to plus 4, you ain't seen nothing yet. all the guests like the economy. i'm not disputing good things, but gdp didn't have a lot of consumption. today, personal income and spending, the spending was down a couple tenths. next week we have two jobs reports. one could argue the combination might be barely above the 171 from just the bls last month. people can't spend without jobs. same old story in my opi
to medicare and other entitlement programs. today john boehner basically said, go fish. >> was not a serious proposal. and so, right now, we're almost nowhere. >> just when we needed someone to not say hey, mom, he was nasty so i can be, too. boehner, like geithner, leapt to the extreme. republicans, the best response to a nonstarter could be to put a real thoughtful compromise deal on the table. an alternative. and as for mr. geithner, he wasn't alone either. remember, mr. president, the promise you made during the campaign? >> the way we do it is $2.50 for every cut, we ask for $1 of additional revenue. >> 2.5 to 1. that means you'd need $4 trillion in spending cuts to match the $1.6 trillion in additional revenue. but you only offered $400 billion, which, of course is $3.6 trillion short before you even get to the stimulus plan and other spending items. ethan pollak, steven moore, you guys ready to play? >> sure. >> we are. >> i know you spoke to our producer today and he seems to think nobody can beat him at this game. the best in the world. let's get straight to it. steven, a few weeks
from speaker boehner's plan, $800 billion in tax reform savings. so this is the new tax revenue. this is the amount, 800 billion. this would be through closing loopholes, not through increasing tax rates, which republicans remain opposed to the $600 billion in health savings, that's the entitlement reform, that's medicare cuts and other spending cuts to entitlement programs. look at how this compares to the white house plan. $1.6 trillion in new taxes, which is two times the amount of revenue in speaker boehner's counter off err. also $400 billion in cuts to medicare and other entitlements, that's $200 billion less in cuts to entitlements, also asking congress to give up its authority on the debt limit vote to have a very long debt limit vote which is a non-starter for republicans. they like to have that power. the white house dismissing this as nothing new. they're saying it lacks specifics, as you heard n that conglomeration of sound bite there's, because speaker boehner doesn't outline exactly what deductions he would target. he doesn't outline his entitlement cuts, but there
're nowhere, period, we're nowhere. >> that somber assessment today from house speaker john boehner, as geithner, the point man, went on all five sunday talk shows, cnbc, washington correspondent aman javers joining me live now. did geithner offer anything new today? >> he really didn't. he thinks the republicans are bluffing here and they are not prepared to go all the way to the mat here on behalf of tax cuts for the rich. they think at the white house they've got their republicans backed into a political corner here, and they are really pressing their advantage hard. you saw this sort of breathtaking offer by the president of the united states last week when he offered basically to include $ 50 billion of new spending at a time everyone else thought we were having a debate about spending cuts here. the president feeling he has the upper hand here in the negotiation and that's what geithner is doing on his behalf up on the hill. >> the white house said they are not going to put forth another plan until republicans bring something to the table. the president was in pennsylvania at
with house speaker john boehner and minority leader nancy pelosi. >> the supreme court will look at what was passed in 2008 by a majority of six-three, i believe, and they will say that is precedent. indiana had a voter i.d. -- >> they decided on the indiana case, it was constitutional for them to establish id they did not say all of that was subsequently -- >> they talked about indiana. you misrepresented what i said. the supreme court is the law of the land. >> when i hear these accusations that black people voter i.d. loss disproportionately affect minorities -- implies to me that somehow we have something missing in our brain. as -- if white americans can get id to vote and go through all the processes to follow the laws, what are you telling black people? that somehow they are not good enough? that is what bothers me about a lot of the rhetoric coming from democrats and the left. we always have to make -- there has to be a special mass when we deal with minorities because they are too feeble minded. we really need to make concessions for them because they cannot follow the rules lik
another 50 billion in stimulus. >> that's going to be the question that boehner has to deal with. the president will have to deal with the far wings of his party. boehner started doing it. did you see they removed two tea party members from the budget committee? >> i don't want to raise taxes to fund 25% of gdp. >> and actually, the american taxpayers are being told to pay their fair share. they want to see real entitlement reform as well. but you have to deal with the issue on the table. i mean, the spending right now is a percentage of gdp is 24%. it's projected to go substantially higher. do you know that medicare and medicaid didn't exist 50 years ago and they're now a quarter of the federal budget? >> i know. it was supposed to be supplemental. david walker was on the other day talking about obama care which is supposed to save us a trillion dollars and the actual cost, what it added the our entitlement is 12 trillion. just that we did in the last two years. or whenever it was. >> but in terms of where we are now in this negotiation, i believe that both sides in the final an
in the white house try to ultimately broker a deal between two very different plans. house speaker john boehner's counteroffer, if you take a look at the headlines from this $800 billion in what would be savings from tax reform. so that is new tax revenue. but not done by increasing income tax rate on the wealthiest. but instead by closing tax loopholes, eliminating tax credits. and also $600 billion in health savings. that's what you'd get from entitlement reform. from reforming medicare, and doing some cuts there under this plan. but compare it to the white house plan, very different than what's on the table there. $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that is two times the amount in the boehner plan, and also, of course, includes increasing those income tax rates for the wealthy. $400 billion to medicare and other entitlements, that's $ 00 billion less than in the speaker's counteroffer and this would force congress to give up its debt limit vote which is a nonstarter for house republicans. the white house saying that boehner counteroffer is nothing new, that it lacks specifics. but i will tell you, z
, that is tonight on nbc's rock center. 10:00 p.m. on your local nbc station. >>> meantime, house speaker boehner and president obama speaking on the phone last night about the fiscal cliff. there still seems to be a freeze in the negotiation. >> there's nothing going on privately that's not going on the publicly. >> they've got to come with some specific revenue. they have refused to do that. >> we need that consensual break through. >> although the president seems obsessed on raising taxes for you. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses and it is not a game that i will play. >> is the administration prepared too go over the fiscal cliff? >> oh, absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the wealthiest 2%. remember it's only 2%. >> with just 25 days to go, the political satandoff could cost the u.s. millions of jobs. professor, good to have you back, good morning. >> good to be here, thanks. >> good read in the journal yesterday from you and if anybody needed to worry about this more, you invoke carter, you
boehner is out there in what appears to be a campaign style, giving speeches instead of negotiating? >> well, it's disturbing in some respect. he is the leader of the country. and rather than be in washington d.c. in a room working with everybody involved that can make these decisions and push legislation, republicans, democrats, senators, members of house and talking through the knitty gritty, he proposes town and campaigns about it and it's difficult to communicate and talk about things if the president is not in washington to talk. >> dave: especially with roughly two weeks to go before congress recesses on the 14th. always good to have you on, thank you, sir. >> thank you, dave. >> dave: coming up next, for those who wish life was like a music cal. a new site is auctioning the way to propose. is the price tag to pop the question worth it. and take thieves taking packages off people's porches, how to make sure it doesn't happen to you. it happened to me a year ago. ♪ ♪ >> wake up, it's time for your news by the numbers. first, 300 bucks, how much a room is in milford plaza h
the retreats. >> run the retreats? >> john boehner -- >> you're getting in deeper and deeper. >> they run the caucus meetings every week. she runs the caucus, decides which speakers come in. vice chair of the caucus, lynn jenkins, virginia fox -- >> what's a more important position, chairman and vice chairman of the caucus or speaker of the house -- >> or committee chair. >> any of the committees. >> caucus chairman trumps the committee chairmanship. i've been both. i've been in the leadership and i've been a committee chair. look, you only had one woman in contentious for committee chairmanship, candace miller. they're knife fights. when the caucus was allowed to speak, they elected -- they selected the woman. unfortunately, you know -- >> a bloomberg article points out uncomfortable optics, the white republican house is going to present. quote, the visuals will be striking when the house debates whether to overhaul the country's tax code and consider ways to keep the costs in social security and medicare under control. white males of the republican party will be arguing to reduce benefi
for joining us. >> thank you. >> speaker boehner has put forward a proposal which "usa today" says demonstrates more political courage the democrats have shown. the white house is saying today it's not even wor ty -- worthy of a response. what are we missing? >> i think we are making progress. they acknowledged they were prepapered to do $800 billion in higher taxes on part of the american economy. that's part of the balanced framework. that's definitely progress. what we need to see is have them acknowledge the rates go up. if they're willing to accept that and commit to that, then we think we could do something good for the economy. we can make the government use the taxpayers' money more efficiently, lock in some spending savings and do some long-term entitlement reforms to make sure americans feel like they can retire with dignity. >> i want to make sure we're talking about apples and apples here, which is so hard in this discussion. the $800 billion which the republicans put forward, which would be a cap on deductions, how does that compare with how far the information is prep
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